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	<title>Comments on: Read The Other Side</title>
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	<description>I said it and I'm glad</description>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
		<link>http://www.blogosaurusvex.com/2009/05/31/read-the-other-side/comment-page-1/#comment-14520</link>
		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the main issue that I have with the most vocal atheists. If your intention is to score cheap points and ridicule people for their beliefs, by all means use the fairies, FSM, and celestial teapot analogies. You won&#039;t change anyone&#039;s current positions, but all your fellow self-congratulating atheists can have a good chuckle together.

However, if your intention is to enlighten someone and possibly change their point of view, you might want to dial back on the rhetoric. You can&#039;t change someone&#039;s mind unless you can really communicate with them. Attacking and ridiculing their point of view gets you nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the main issue that I have with the most vocal atheists. If your intention is to score cheap points and ridicule people for their beliefs, by all means use the fairies, FSM, and celestial teapot analogies. You won&#8217;t change anyone&#8217;s current positions, but all your fellow self-congratulating atheists can have a good chuckle together.</p>
<p>However, if your intention is to enlighten someone and possibly change their point of view, you might want to dial back on the rhetoric. You can&#8217;t change someone&#8217;s mind unless you can really communicate with them. Attacking and ridiculing their point of view gets you nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogosaurus</title>
		<link>http://www.blogosaurusvex.com/2009/05/31/read-the-other-side/comment-page-1/#comment-14492</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogosaurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nod.  Agreed.  I am quite struck by your statement recently that perhaps their beliefs have just never been vigorously challenged - it makes me wonder if the loony creationists who seem to be willfully misunderstanding evolution aren&#039;t just truly ignorant.  Maybe they really have never been exposed to a proper explanation!  

I tell you, ever since I got involved in the skeptics groups I am seeing woo *everywhere*.  It mostly slipped below radar before.  That flaky shit is pervasive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nod.  Agreed.  I am quite struck by your statement recently that perhaps their beliefs have just never been vigorously challenged &#8211; it makes me wonder if the loony creationists who seem to be willfully misunderstanding evolution aren&#8217;t just truly ignorant.  Maybe they really have never been exposed to a proper explanation!  </p>
<p>I tell you, ever since I got involved in the skeptics groups I am seeing woo *everywhere*.  It mostly slipped below radar before.  That flaky shit is pervasive!</p>
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		<title>By: jbrydle</title>
		<link>http://www.blogosaurusvex.com/2009/05/31/read-the-other-side/comment-page-1/#comment-14487</link>
		<dc:creator>jbrydle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debates are great too - they&#039;re all over youtube, and you see not only the other side&#039;s arguments, but how they rebut the atheist arguments, and how the &#039;professional&#039; atheists rebut the religious arguments.

I wonder though, if the goal should be to engage with theists on their terms in order to deconvert them, or rather should it be to address the more general differences in thinking. You said in an earlier post that if you look at logical, philosophical, and empirical arguments, atheism comes out on top. If someone can be shown exactly what critical thinking is, and convinced that it&#039;s the best way to derive truth in general, then it&#039;s trivial to argue against supernatural religion, and they&#039;ve received a kind of innocculation against all sorts of loony ideas to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debates are great too &#8211; they&#8217;re all over youtube, and you see not only the other side&#8217;s arguments, but how they rebut the atheist arguments, and how the &#8216;professional&#8217; atheists rebut the religious arguments.</p>
<p>I wonder though, if the goal should be to engage with theists on their terms in order to deconvert them, or rather should it be to address the more general differences in thinking. You said in an earlier post that if you look at logical, philosophical, and empirical arguments, atheism comes out on top. If someone can be shown exactly what critical thinking is, and convinced that it&#8217;s the best way to derive truth in general, then it&#8217;s trivial to argue against supernatural religion, and they&#8217;ve received a kind of innocculation against all sorts of loony ideas to boot.</p>
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