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	<description>I said it and I'm glad</description>
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		<title>By: Blogosaurus</title>
		<link>http://www.blogosaurusvex.com/2009/06/05/remember-the-danish-cartoons/comment-page-1/#comment-14673</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogosaurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, if everyone could live and let live, and never try to put their beliefs on other people (especially via government, military manouvers, and education) we could all just let the matter drop.  Unfortunately the positions are often mutually exclusive and it can&#039;t work this way.  (ie, what do you teach children in school about the history of the planet?  Either the bible is right or the geologists are - the court cases in the US demonstrate this nicely.  Live and let live isn&#039;t possible when you disagree so fundamentally about these issues.  Someone is wrong, we can&#039;t both have our way in the school system.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, if everyone could live and let live, and never try to put their beliefs on other people (especially via government, military manouvers, and education) we could all just let the matter drop.  Unfortunately the positions are often mutually exclusive and it can&#8217;t work this way.  (ie, what do you teach children in school about the history of the planet?  Either the bible is right or the geologists are &#8211; the court cases in the US demonstrate this nicely.  Live and let live isn&#8217;t possible when you disagree so fundamentally about these issues.  Someone is wrong, we can&#8217;t both have our way in the school system.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bronn</title>
		<link>http://www.blogosaurusvex.com/2009/06/05/remember-the-danish-cartoons/comment-page-1/#comment-14672</link>
		<dc:creator>Bronn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of my very best friends are devout Christians (one even teaches at a Christian private school), and thankfully, they are not full of judgment about my lack of faith, but then again, I don&#039;t also try to convince them they&#039;re wrong and they don&#039;t try and convince me, which is good.  They accept me for who I am, quietly pray for me in times of crisis, and while I make jokes occasionally, I try my best to not tell them they&#039;re &quot;wrong&quot;.

I&#039;ve never liked anyone to tell me why I&#039;m &quot;wrong&quot; in my belief system or lack thereof, because as has been said, its a very personal thing to most people, and it often is a source of strength in people&#039;s lives.  That doesn&#039;t just apply to Christians, mind you.  I deride any and all who feel the need to force their beliefs on me, and I&#039;d happily mock atheists who are on their high horse as much as Christians.  I&#039;ve seen lots of posts and links on Facebook by some of the folks on here recently about Christianity, Atheism, and what&#039;s right and wrong, and it walks that line between disagreement and the same zealousness they mock in the other side.  Not to say that after the murder on the weekend and some of the reactions, some of its not warranted as the extremists speak up, but its not always an easy line to walk.  Thankfully, after catching up on some posts on here, it seems to be tempered for the most part, but it can easily cross the line....

...especially when Joe says it. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of my very best friends are devout Christians (one even teaches at a Christian private school), and thankfully, they are not full of judgment about my lack of faith, but then again, I don&#8217;t also try to convince them they&#8217;re wrong and they don&#8217;t try and convince me, which is good.  They accept me for who I am, quietly pray for me in times of crisis, and while I make jokes occasionally, I try my best to not tell them they&#8217;re &#8220;wrong&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never liked anyone to tell me why I&#8217;m &#8220;wrong&#8221; in my belief system or lack thereof, because as has been said, its a very personal thing to most people, and it often is a source of strength in people&#8217;s lives.  That doesn&#8217;t just apply to Christians, mind you.  I deride any and all who feel the need to force their beliefs on me, and I&#8217;d happily mock atheists who are on their high horse as much as Christians.  I&#8217;ve seen lots of posts and links on Facebook by some of the folks on here recently about Christianity, Atheism, and what&#8217;s right and wrong, and it walks that line between disagreement and the same zealousness they mock in the other side.  Not to say that after the murder on the weekend and some of the reactions, some of its not warranted as the extremists speak up, but its not always an easy line to walk.  Thankfully, after catching up on some posts on here, it seems to be tempered for the most part, but it can easily cross the line&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;especially when Joe says it. <img src='http://www.blogosaurusvex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Puck</title>
		<link>http://www.blogosaurusvex.com/2009/06/05/remember-the-danish-cartoons/comment-page-1/#comment-14663</link>
		<dc:creator>Puck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mock Christianity all the time.  I try not to mock Christians directly, but sometimes it&#039;s really, really difficult.

I also mock Blogo&#039;s veganism, my own weight gain, and my dog&#039;s whining.  

Huh, I might actually be kind of a jerk...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mock Christianity all the time.  I try not to mock Christians directly, but sometimes it&#8217;s really, really difficult.</p>
<p>I also mock Blogo&#8217;s veganism, my own weight gain, and my dog&#8217;s whining.  </p>
<p>Huh, I might actually be kind of a jerk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Blogosaurus</title>
		<link>http://www.blogosaurusvex.com/2009/06/05/remember-the-danish-cartoons/comment-page-1/#comment-14662</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogosaurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how to persuade you of my nonjudgmentalism.  It seems I can say it and say it and it doesn&#039;t sink in - somehow you think you know me better than I do, or that I&#039;m misrepresenting myself on purpose to deceive you.  

I have indeed mocked Christianity.  You are right about this.  The extra step that you take is to assume that I am therefore mocking the people who are believers, and that&#039;s just not how it is.  Really, I guess you&#039;re just going to think what you think and I have to accept that there&#039;s nothing I can do about that.  It does upset me to think that I am considered a &quot;Hitchensian&quot; but short of ceasing to discuss this topic altogether there&#039;s nothing more I can do about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how to persuade you of my nonjudgmentalism.  It seems I can say it and say it and it doesn&#8217;t sink in &#8211; somehow you think you know me better than I do, or that I&#8217;m misrepresenting myself on purpose to deceive you.  </p>
<p>I have indeed mocked Christianity.  You are right about this.  The extra step that you take is to assume that I am therefore mocking the people who are believers, and that&#8217;s just not how it is.  Really, I guess you&#8217;re just going to think what you think and I have to accept that there&#8217;s nothing I can do about that.  It does upset me to think that I am considered a &#8220;Hitchensian&#8221; but short of ceasing to discuss this topic altogether there&#8217;s nothing more I can do about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Incognito</title>
		<link>http://www.blogosaurusvex.com/2009/06/05/remember-the-danish-cartoons/comment-page-1/#comment-14659</link>
		<dc:creator>Incognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vex,

If I am the one person to whom you are referring, please be at ease, I am not &quot;upset&quot; by the mockery, or perceived mockery.  I just am calling a spade a spade in my view.  Now to be clear, out of all the times you touch on Christianity, your &quot;sincere investigation&quot; to &quot;mockery&quot; ratio is pretty good.  You do however use mockery in regards to Christians from time to time.

When you spoke of vegetarianism, you didn&#039;t want to say you &quot;judged&quot; meat eaters, but in the end, you kinda came around to it.  I suspect this stems from the fact that you are a person who cares a great deal about others feelings, and doesn&#039;t want to hurt anyone if you can at all avoid it.

Again, there are very few points you&#039;d have to address to move yourself completely out of the &quot;mockers&quot; camp, &quot;HZJD&quot; being the most obvious.

~I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vex,</p>
<p>If I am the one person to whom you are referring, please be at ease, I am not &#8220;upset&#8221; by the mockery, or perceived mockery.  I just am calling a spade a spade in my view.  Now to be clear, out of all the times you touch on Christianity, your &#8220;sincere investigation&#8221; to &#8220;mockery&#8221; ratio is pretty good.  You do however use mockery in regards to Christians from time to time.</p>
<p>When you spoke of vegetarianism, you didn&#8217;t want to say you &#8220;judged&#8221; meat eaters, but in the end, you kinda came around to it.  I suspect this stems from the fact that you are a person who cares a great deal about others feelings, and doesn&#8217;t want to hurt anyone if you can at all avoid it.</p>
<p>Again, there are very few points you&#8217;d have to address to move yourself completely out of the &#8220;mockers&#8221; camp, &#8220;HZJD&#8221; being the most obvious.</p>
<p>~I.</p>
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		<title>By: Puck</title>
		<link>http://www.blogosaurusvex.com/2009/06/05/remember-the-danish-cartoons/comment-page-1/#comment-14653</link>
		<dc:creator>Puck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another strategy is to blame &quot;thinking and reason&quot;, because if you don&#039;t think about it the Bible works just fine.  Unfortunately, this is a very popular decision.

As for upsetting people, that&#039;s the hallmark of a free society.  Freedom doesn&#039;t mean much if people are only free to do (and talk about) things that everyone is comfortable with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another strategy is to blame &#8220;thinking and reason&#8221;, because if you don&#8217;t think about it the Bible works just fine.  Unfortunately, this is a very popular decision.</p>
<p>As for upsetting people, that&#8217;s the hallmark of a free society.  Freedom doesn&#8217;t mean much if people are only free to do (and talk about) things that everyone is comfortable with.</p>
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